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Oct 19, 2007 11:03am
Medium Bug Labs team bballantine 56 posts

Hello Beta Crew!

BUGnet, right now, is very simple. It's a place for you all to share your applications with each other and it's the simplest possible thing that works. There are users, applications, and web services which allow it to interact with the SDK. But, there is so much more we could do with it.

Now that the site is out there, I would like your feedback. Here are some questions off the top of my head:
  • Right now we have an uncomplicated mechanism for storing the application bundles as jars and keeping a list of previous versions. Would you prefer something more like SVN? If so, how would you see that working from a user perspective?
  • What are your feelings on the overall BUGnet/SDK interaction? How can that experience be improved?
  • What other data would you like to see attached with users or applications?
  • When you get your real BUG, will you continue to use BUGnet?
  • What other kind of general functionality would you like to see on the site?
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    Thanks so much for helping out and providing your feedback.
    Oct 19, 2007 4:04pm
    Img_missing_medium koolatron 52 posts

    Here are my thoughts:

    I like the way BUGnet integrates into Eclipse. It makes fetching and installing apps a breeze, and I will undoubtedly continue to use it after receiving real hardware due to the level of integration.

    BUGnet, as it stands, is great for sharing complete applications. I can finish a project, upload it, and let everyone else who is interested in my work snag a copy to try for themselves. I like that.

    What it doesn't seem so great for, however, is collaboration. If I, and say, finsprings, decided to go into a coding frenzy this weekend on an application, we don't have an easy way to work concurrently and merge our changes short of setting up our own SVN repository and uploading to BUGnet only after we've reached a stopping point. I don't like that :)

    How about being able to tag an app as a "development" version that sends it to SVN instead of a JAR? Is it possible to integrate Eclipse's own built-in SVN support into BUGnet?
    Oct 19, 2007 5:31pm
    Medium Bug Labs team bballantine 56 posts


    Thanks for your feedback. I think you’re right on in saying that BUGnet could do a lot more to foster collaboration. One thing that is planned for the next BUGnet release, in about 2 weeks, is a private flag on BUG applications. So, you could have an incomplete project on BUGnet marked as private so other users won’t see it.

    Perhaps instead we implement a "development" flag, like you suggest, that hides the application from list pages, but still provides an url. So you could work on something, mark it as "dev" and then share the url with finsprings. I’ll talk to the rest of the team about the possibility of doing something like this for the next release.

    In the long-term, I think some sort of SVN repo integrated w/ the SDK and BUGnet would be great, and we’ve batted this idea around a few times. Your suggestion definitely adds weight to the importance in finding a working solution.

    Thanks again for the feedback.

    Oct 20, 2007 12:14am
    Medium Bug Labs team finsprings 268 posts

    Having some sort of revision control system that could cope with merges etc, would definitely be useful. I’m already using my own SVN server to track my changes to the apps I’ve worked on.

    I have enough spare bandwidth that I could probably open that up if other folks wanted to use it for BUG stuff, but having it built in to BUGnet would be cleaner. I presume Eclipse has SVN integration (I use it with Perforce at work; love Perforce BTW but it’s not free). If it does, then I wonder if we couldn’t just get it integrated in that way; post the SVN URL etc and use the same accounts we already have on BUGnet as the SVN accounts. Then in Eclipse you can do the right-click/Team/... stuff to get it in and out of source control.

    Collaboration between users would get interesting. I guess you could give people the ability to create their own subprojects in the repository and if they want to collaborate they just tell the other parties the name of that subproject.

    Oct 20, 2007 8:19am
    Medium Bug Labs team mcholerton 54 posts

    I see development tags, private tags, and others being useful. I imagine going forward folks that have no contact might want to/be able to collaborate on development. Versions, tags, merges, subprojects and all that would become very important and start to take on a life of their own. It’s cool we are getting input and building these bricks now.

    Oct 23, 2007 3:16pm
    Medium Bug Labs team bballantine 56 posts

    This is all good feedback, everyone. We’re brainstorming ideas now for how to integrate SVN and foster collaboration on BUGnet with the plan of having something in place mid-November.

    If you get any other ideas, feel free to post them here.


    Oct 31, 2007 2:32pm
    Medium Bug Labs team kgilmer 215 posts

    Does everyone feel SVN is the way to go as the SCR? Is there any preference to other free SCRs such as CVS or git?

    Oct 31, 2007 2:46pm
    Medium Bug Labs team finsprings 268 posts

    Does everyone feel SVN is the way to go as the SCR? Is there any preference to other free SCRs such as CVS or git?
    I'm fine with SVN but I wouldn't be adverse to giving GIT a go. My favourite is Perforce, but it's not free (they don't make exceptions for open source projects do they?).
    Oct 31, 2007 2:49pm
    Img_missing_medium koolatron 52 posts

    Every source control system has its drawbacks, but SVN is what I know and use. I’d give Perforce a try if it weren’t non-free :-\

    Oct 31, 2007 5:50pm
    Img_missing_medium Shawn 14 posts

    I have no problem with GIT, or SVN, and really would like to use GIT more. However I’ve not seen an eclipse plugin for GIT, and the SVN plugin seems to work well (we use it at work), and I think it has more acceptance by a larger amount of developers.

    However if we stay with SVN, Linus Torvalds will think we are "ugly and stupid".


    Nov 1, 2007 4:55pm
    Medium Bug Labs team kgilmer 215 posts

    Yeah I agree that SVN is probably the best choice.

    Nov 1, 2007 5:33pm
    Medium Bug Labs team bballantine 56 posts


    Thanks again for all of the feedback. This discussion is really helpful. Most of our software team is going to meet tomorrow to discuss how we can better facilitate collaboration on BUGnet. All of your comments will be part of this conversation.

    I think we are leaning toward some sort of SVN integration. It’s familiar territory. Perhaps GIT is better, but most of us here have more experience with SVN.

    This evening, in just a couple of hours, we’re going to push our latest website release live. It is relevant here because we added the private flag to the edit application page on the site. If you mark it as private, your application will not appear to other users. It’s not entirely hooked up to the SDK yet. When you mark it as private, for now, you will only see it when you’re logged into the website. It won’t appear in your BUGnet view in the SDK. We’ll fix that soon, though.

    It’s not much, but it’s a start until we get the collaboration thing figured out. It will, at least, allow you to upload apps and mark them as private so you don’t have to worry about others downloading unfinished work.


    Nov 1, 2007 10:07pm
    Img_missing_medium koolatron 52 posts

    SVN is familiar territory to me, this is true; however if GIT is an undeniably better alternative, there’s no reason not to use that instead unless integration with the SDK isn’t workable. Source control systems aren’t rocket science and we’re all smart folks here.

    Besides, if the source control is a backend, and BUGnet handles the user interface, it doesn’t matter what gets used. My vote is for functionality and flexibility, whichever package it comes in :)

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